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Who Wants HTML5 to Succeed?

11/19/2010 5:45:29 PM

Yesterday I’ve had a short twitter-chat with Laurent Bugnion in response to this tweet:


This chat got me thinking about motivations of most of the biggest players driving HTML5 forward. Here’s what I think.


Apple resorts to praising HTML5 only when they need to justify why there’s no Flash (Silverlight, etc.) on iOS devices. In these cases HTML5 is the answer. But when it comes to comparing HTML5 apps to native iPhone apps there’s no comparison – native apps win hands down. And apparently there’s going to be an app store for the desktop Mac OSX. So Apple’s main interest is in controlling the apps (and I’m not even talking about sales revenue here) that run on top of it’s operating systems/hardware. I don’t see HTML5 fitting well into this plot.


Adobe was close to world domination in RIA (or at least de-facto standard) up until Apple killed their dreams with the no-Flash debacle on iOS. And HTML5 was Apple’s weapon. I’m sorry but I’m not seeing Adobe as someone who want’s HTML5 to succeed.


Microsoft came up strong about HTML5 in IE9. It sounded strong enough for some people to pronounce Silverlight dead. But why would Microsoft want something that could run on Linux, Macs, etc. as well as on Windows to be a RIA platform of the future? I can see 2 answers here:

  1. they are confused and will come to their senses later;
  2. they will “extend” the standard to a point that “cool” apps run only on Windows.

Now in the second case that won’t be the HTML5 generating the buzz right now. That will be MSHTML5 or something.

Browser vendors

I’m not talking about Microsoft, Apple or Google here. I’m talking about the other 2 major browser vendors who have browsers at the core of their businesses: Mozilla and Opera. I don’t think they have any end-game in this. They are just trying to make great products that users would want to use to browse the web and what that web is will be decided by other players.


That leaves us with Google. I believe they are the only big party that has a genuine interest in making HTML5 succeed as a cross-platform standard. After all they have the deepest current investment in the area with all of their awesome web apps, Chrome OS, Google TV, etc. But I doubt that they are strong enough to overcome the obstacles in form of above mentioned companies. After all Google is currently in direct competition with all of them, so why would they hand the torch to Google?


I think I’ll have to agree with Laurent’s statement. I believe there will be HTML5 “standard” in the near future, but it will be along the lines of what all the other HTML incarnations always were – good in theory but requires a lot of duct-tape to glue it all together into something working across browsers. And it will be up to enthusiasts (like the creators of libraries such as jQuery) to make it all kinda work.

I’d like to end this post with “History Repeating” by Propellerheads. Enjoy…

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No-CSS fallback for IE5.5 and earlier

5/30/2008 10:43:22 AM

I'm working on a project where I have to support modern versions of Firefox, Opera, Safari and IE6 and higher (hell I wish MS forced upgrade to IE7 through Windows Update) which is standard approach these days. Today I downloaded the excellent IETester and out of curiosity decided to look at how my project looks in IE5.5.

As expected it was a total mess. I have no plans nor requirements to support IE5.5 but I decided to do one simple thing: just skip the CSS file in IE5.5 and earlier so the site looks like it's 1995 but consistent and it's useable.

I've used conditional comments like this

    <![if gte IE 6]> 
    <link href="style.css" rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" />
kick it on

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Naming HTML Objects: Use Some Imagination

5/16/2008 9:48:47 AM

While answering questions about strange issues with SPAW Editor I notice that people often give name/id to their html objects like "body" or "text" or something like this. And this works for them until they try doing some manipulations with these objects using JavaScript. And then crazy things happen randomly.

I don't know if this is officially forbidden somewhere. But it's always a good idea to think twice every time you get an urge to name your textarea holding your post body just "body". "postBody" is only 4 keypresses longer but it will save your hours later when you sit irritated, scratching your head, trying to figure out why a simple javascript doesn't work or produces crazy side-effects.

kick it on

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